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		<title>By: The Amoeba</title>
		<link>http://ocquill.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/abort-retry-fail-kill/#comment-2416</link>
		<dc:creator>The Amoeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, I agree with you.  Doesn&#039;t seem to stop people, though.  Including me, though when I catch myself at it I&#039;m ashamed.  To say nothing about when others catch me ...

Except when you&#039;re left, of course, Dr. John.  ;)  Your post on the subject is &lt;a href=&quot;http://fortresslinna.blogspot.com/2009/06/on-being-right.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;essential reading&lt;/a&gt;.

Dawg, you remind me of a &lt;a&gt;restaurant&lt;/a&gt; in Columbus, Ohio, some decades(!) ago now, where the menu featured an argument between a King and his vizier over the meaning of w(h)ine list.

I considered linking to that post, Lisa, but decided that enough of my thought had moved on from that long-ago day that I decided to excerpt rather than reprint.  I think you&#039;re right about the &quot;reason&quot; bit (to the extent that I can claim any such thing for myself); what&#039;s more, either Quilly agrees with you or she&#039;s changed her mind about my posts in the last fifteen minutes and hasn&#039;t told me about it.  Which brings me back to the point: what shall we &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; about it?  How shall we act reasonably in a culture that expects us to react as we are told, and how shall we get others to do so?

You told Sauerkraut the same &quot;addict&quot; thing, cooper.  Have you got a watch on the poor guy? But your take on life strikes me as wise.  Thanks for the stumble on this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, I agree with you.  Doesn&#8217;t seem to stop people, though.  Including me, though when I catch myself at it I&#8217;m ashamed.  To say nothing about when others catch me &#8230;</p>
<p>Except when you&#8217;re left, of course, Dr. John.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Your post on the subject is <a href="http://fortresslinna.blogspot.com/2009/06/on-being-right.html" rel="nofollow">essential reading</a>.</p>
<p>Dawg, you remind me of a <a>restaurant</a> in Columbus, Ohio, some decades(!) ago now, where the menu featured an argument between a King and his vizier over the meaning of w(h)ine list.</p>
<p>I considered linking to that post, Lisa, but decided that enough of my thought had moved on from that long-ago day that I decided to excerpt rather than reprint.  I think you&#8217;re right about the &#8220;reason&#8221; bit (to the extent that I can claim any such thing for myself); what&#8217;s more, either Quilly agrees with you or she&#8217;s changed her mind about my posts in the last fifteen minutes and hasn&#8217;t told me about it.  Which brings me back to the point: what shall we <i>do</i> about it?  How shall we act reasonably in a culture that expects us to react as we are told, and how shall we get others to do so?</p>
<p>You told Sauerkraut the same &#8220;addict&#8221; thing, cooper.  Have you got a watch on the poor guy? But your take on life strikes me as wise.  Thanks for the stumble on this post.</p>
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		<title>By: cooper</title>
		<link>http://ocquill.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/abort-retry-fail-kill/#comment-2414</link>
		<dc:creator>cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one gets out of here alive. I think it matters not how old we are when we leave but that we make the time of those here as pleasant as possible by preventing the slow death of starvation, abuse, and ravages of war...but  hey that is just me, at this small moment in time.

You are an addict so don&#039;t be so coy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one gets out of here alive. I think it matters not how old we are when we leave but that we make the time of those here as pleasant as possible by preventing the slow death of starvation, abuse, and ravages of war&#8230;but  hey that is just me, at this small moment in time.</p>
<p>You are an addict so don&#8217;t be so coy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://ocquill.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/abort-retry-fail-kill/#comment-2413</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that&#039;s the post I think it is, I&#039;d like for you to reprint it.  It was one of your best ones, IMO.  

And I would argue that probably a good 97% of the time, your main points are flawed for exactly that same reason.  That&#039;s not necessarily a problem.  Certainly, you often present the best, most reasonable solution.  And yet, we don&#039;t want to suppress our emotions.  Often, and especially as part of a group mind, we don&#039;t want to act reasonably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s the post I think it is, I&#8217;d like for you to reprint it.  It was one of your best ones, IMO.  </p>
<p>And I would argue that probably a good 97% of the time, your main points are flawed for exactly that same reason.  That&#8217;s not necessarily a problem.  Certainly, you often present the best, most reasonable solution.  And yet, we don&#8217;t want to suppress our emotions.  Often, and especially as part of a group mind, we don&#8217;t want to act reasonably.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abortion should be legally available until the 46th trimester.  I&#039;m pretty sure that no children whatsoever would leave us with plenty of whining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abortion should be legally available until the 46th trimester.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that no children whatsoever would leave us with plenty of whining.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. John</title>
		<link>http://ocquill.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/abort-retry-fail-kill/#comment-2411</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah! But we do judge. We know  what is right.
You know that abortion is right as opposed to social problems caused by the pregnancy.
People who disagree with you are judged unreasonable or not open to reason.
Christians who hold a pro-life viewpoint and didn&#039;t want to argue with you are judged as seeing you as beneath their notice.
You make a good case for reason as did Obama but when you&#039;re right you&#039;re right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! But we do judge. We know  what is right.<br />
You know that abortion is right as opposed to social problems caused by the pregnancy.<br />
People who disagree with you are judged unreasonable or not open to reason.<br />
Christians who hold a pro-life viewpoint and didn&#8217;t want to argue with you are judged as seeing you as beneath their notice.<br />
You make a good case for reason as did Obama but when you&#8217;re right you&#8217;re right.</p>
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		<title>By: hey...</title>
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		<dc:creator>hey...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we were not put on this earth
to judge...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we were not put on this earth<br />
to judge&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Amoeba</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Amoeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sauerkraut, the world is full of stories like this, stories of people for whom the only sensible treatment should be (have been) based on the specifics of the case as informed by the medical evidence available.  Not on dogma informed by (literally) Stone Age technologies.

Practically the entire left half of the blogosphere has labelled the anti-abortion movement &quot;domestic terrorists&quot;.  This will make the Randolph Terrys of the world no less a pack of martyrs, at least in their own minds and those of their adherents, than George Tiller.  Perhaps there&#039;s no help for this: we are so polarized, and so addicted to living our lives in Emotional Reaction, that We can find no other way to respond.  I hope this is not so - for if it is, we will devour ourselves, and our demise as a Great Nation (whatever that is) is, I think, assured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sauerkraut, the world is full of stories like this, stories of people for whom the only sensible treatment should be (have been) based on the specifics of the case as informed by the medical evidence available.  Not on dogma informed by (literally) Stone Age technologies.</p>
<p>Practically the entire left half of the blogosphere has labelled the anti-abortion movement &#8220;domestic terrorists&#8221;.  This will make the Randolph Terrys of the world no less a pack of martyrs, at least in their own minds and those of their adherents, than George Tiller.  Perhaps there&#8217;s no help for this: we are so polarized, and so addicted to living our lives in Emotional Reaction, that We can find no other way to respond.  I hope this is not so &#8211; for if it is, we will devour ourselves, and our demise as a Great Nation (whatever that is) is, I think, assured.</p>
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		<title>By: sauer kraut</title>
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		<dc:creator>sauer kraut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew a woman once...  had lupus.  For her, pregnancies were dangerous.  The first worked out okay.  The second did not.

Her options were limited.  She could go thru the birth, but the fetus&#039; skull was empty and the child that would be born would die shortly after she did.   Or, she could have the late-term abortion and live.

Either way, her fetus was going to die.

Randall Terry and his domestic terrorists apparently want every woman to go thru every pregnancy no matter how dangerous to the woman or how dead the fetus.   Yet they call themselves pro-lifers.

What a bunch of &amp;$%#@&amp; as *#^$oles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew a woman once&#8230;  had lupus.  For her, pregnancies were dangerous.  The first worked out okay.  The second did not.</p>
<p>Her options were limited.  She could go thru the birth, but the fetus&#8217; skull was empty and the child that would be born would die shortly after she did.   Or, she could have the late-term abortion and live.</p>
<p>Either way, her fetus was going to die.</p>
<p>Randall Terry and his domestic terrorists apparently want every woman to go thru every pregnancy no matter how dangerous to the woman or how dead the fetus.   Yet they call themselves pro-lifers.</p>
<p>What a bunch of &amp;$%#@&amp; as *#^$oles.</p>
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